tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post1498512786776864099..comments2024-03-11T19:40:23.089+00:00Comments on Views from the bike shed: The trouble with speeding - and a perversion of justiceThe bike shedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05195882998271591934noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-31037267123480185752013-02-07T23:54:41.364+00:002013-02-07T23:54:41.364+00:00I did comment yesterday but it has disappeared?
Ju...I did comment yesterday but it has disappeared?<br />Just said that I agree with you on this post Mark.Cait O'Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04569760764766505179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-31387747278778589392013-02-07T22:25:18.003+00:002013-02-07T22:25:18.003+00:00I meant that speeding offences...as such..are wink...I meant that speeding offences...as such..are winked at; in part because the way of handling them is unjust if there is no damage or injury.<br /><br />Thus off we go on the primrose path of the penalty seen as unjust and measures to avoid it seeming justifiable.<br /><br />It is clearly dishonest, but how is one to make that point in a society where dishonesty seems to be the path to wealth and power.<br /><br />Helen Devriesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-53327185564076056942013-02-07T16:17:23.694+00:002013-02-07T16:17:23.694+00:00Is he not, - I'm not aware of other cases, but...Is he not, - I'm not aware of other cases, but in this instance, I think that locking up for the man in the street would be disproportionate. Locking up for a politician? Absolutely right.Mark In Mayennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14987723233401368368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-25966771157864213722013-02-07T12:05:00.601+00:002013-02-07T12:05:00.601+00:00Is getting someone else to take your penalty point...Is getting someone else to take your penalty points universally winked at or it it the speeding offence itself? I would suggest the latter and think quite a lot of people would find the former totally unacceptable. Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-4571408257531451512013-02-07T11:43:27.844+00:002013-02-07T11:43:27.844+00:00I agree wholeheartedly and think your proposed pun...I agree wholeheartedly and think your proposed punishment is more appropriate. The real point is that I'm troubled were imprisoning people for an offence that as Helen /Fly above eloquently puts it - is something universally winked at.The bike shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05195882998271591934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-28309352253252428022013-02-07T11:35:38.176+00:002013-02-07T11:35:38.176+00:00I see where you're coming from, Mark, but I st...I see where you're coming from, Mark, but I still see deliberately trying to avoid the results of your own wrong action (in this case exceeding the speed limit) by getting someone else to take the blame as a perversion of the course of Justice, albeit a minor one. You call it a misdemeanour, I call it lying to the police and the justice system and (even worse) involving someone else in your lie, and therefore I see it as a fundamentally dishonest action deserving of punishment. Whether that punishment should be imprisonment is up for debate, but the action itself remains dishonest and wrong.<br /><br />Perhaps the punishment should be an immediate revocation of the driving licence of both the people concerned, with the requirement to attend a course and resit the driving test before the licence is returned at the end of the punishment period. That message would soon get round.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-48308000610617264072013-02-07T09:07:19.857+00:002013-02-07T09:07:19.857+00:00Except he's not being punished more severely i...Except he's not being punished more severely is he. There are numerous cases of ordinary folk being given custodial sentences for the same misdemeanour. Chris Huhne brings the issue to our attention, but the real point is whether we should send people to prison for this so called 'perversion of justice' or ought we to re-categorise it as something serious, but less than a criminal offence. The bike shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05195882998271591934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-15136324004853801202013-02-07T08:49:00.781+00:002013-02-07T08:49:00.781+00:00Seems to me that the only way to get politicians t...Seems to me that the only way to get politicians to court is to go for the small offences as they are untouchable on the big ones.<br /><br />A bit like Al Capone who was nabbed on tax evasion, not his murderous activities.<br /><br />A sense of perspective is appropriate for those who deserve it, mainly by not being any kind of lying, morally bankrupt, corrupt, power mad politician. <br /><br />To be frank, I have very little sympathy for Chris Huhne.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13195684182481935384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-49434466183001686822013-02-07T07:23:29.490+00:002013-02-07T07:23:29.490+00:00Hmmm. I personally believe that people in high of...Hmmm. I personally believe that people in high office should set an example. They should therefore be punished more severely for transgressions.Mark In Mayennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14987723233401368368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-26133191280077687822013-02-06T22:18:34.083+00:002013-02-06T22:18:34.083+00:00On this post Mark I am pleased to say that I whole...On this post Mark I am pleased to say that I wholeheartedly agree with you :-)Cait O'Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04569760764766505179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-73935099272277630682013-02-06T21:48:07.319+00:002013-02-06T21:48:07.319+00:00A sense of perspecive - that's it in a nutshel...A sense of perspecive - that's it in a nutshell. He's hardly Reggie Kray!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133900289384226725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-4527466563557434372013-02-06T21:38:20.720+00:002013-02-06T21:38:20.720+00:00If deterrence is required enact that for every exc...If deterrence is required enact that for every excess of the speed limit...properly signalled.... or for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the vehicle is confiscated. Permanently.<br />Nothing to pervert there.<br /><br />There used to be complaints that motoring offences were treated lightly because they were 'middle class' offences.<br />That was no less unjust than treating them as potential imprisonment offences when no injury or damage has been inflicted.<br /><br />I would like to see some proportion here....more action taken against Newscorp on Hackgate, for example; more energy expended in getting to what lies behind these rumours of a widespread cover up of child abuse in the care system; action taken against psychiatrists and social workers who pervert the course of justice willy nilly in the secrecy of the Family Court system....<br /><br />I would venture to respectfully disagree with Lance and Jane...I think our politicians and public servants have passed the stage of claiming the moral high ground...they now stand there, unabashed, in all their sooty glory, totally sure that they are untouchable.<br /><br />That is, however, no reason for a disproportionate punishment for an offence which is universally winked at.Helen Devrieshttp://asurfeitofpalfreys.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876862148358784705.post-45388508963848001342013-02-06T20:34:08.387+00:002013-02-06T20:34:08.387+00:00Hello Mark:
We really do not feel in any way quali...Hello Mark:<br />We really do not feel in any way qualified to give a definitive view on this whole sad, sorry affair. Our growing concern lies with people holding public office who claim the moral high ground so often that it is in danger of becoming seriously overcrowded [the high ground that is]and yet their actions show them to be morally bereft. If, of course, they were mere humans with all the frailties that this consists of, then we should,most definitely be prepared to let sleeping or speeding dogs lie. Jane and Lance Hattatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831890261259302647noreply@blogger.com